G-SYNC 101: G-SYNC Fullscreen vs. Borderless/Windowed


DWM Woes?

Requested by swarna in the Blur Busters Forums, is a scenario that investigates the effects of the DWM (Desktop Windows Manager, “Aero” in Windows 7) on G-SYNC in borderless and windowed mode.

Unlike exclusive fullscreen, which bypasses the DWM composition entirely, borderless and windowed mode rely on the DWM, which, due to its framebuffer, adds 1 frame of delay. The DWM can’t be disabled in Windows 10, and uses it’s own form of triple buffer V-SYNC (very similar to Fast Sync) that overrides all standard syncing solutions when borderless or windowed mode are in use.

To make sure this was the case, all combinations of NVCP and in-game V-SYNC, as well as the Windows 10 “Game Mode” and “fullscreen optimization” settings were tested to see if DWM could be disabled, and tearing could be introduced; it could not be, so Game Mode and fullscreen optimizations were disabled once again, and NVCP V-SYNC was re-enabled across scenarios for consistency’s sake.

The question is, does DWM add 1 frame of delay with G-SYNC using borderless and windowed mode?

Blur Buster's G-SYNC 101: Input Latency & Optimal Settings
Blur Buster's G-SYNC 101: Input Latency & Optimal Settings

Overwatch, shows that, no, with G-SYNC enabled, both borderless and windowed mode do not add 1 frame of delay over exclusive fullscreen. Standalone “V-SYNC,” however, does show the expected 1 frame of delay.

CS:GO was also tested for corroboration, and ought to have the same results, as DWM behavior is at the OS-level and should remain unchanged, regardless of the game…

Blur Buster's G-SYNC 101: Input Latency & Optimal Settings
Blur Buster's G-SYNC 101: Input Latency & Optimal Settings

Sure enough, again, G-SYNC sees no added delay, and V-SYNC sees the expected 1 frame of delay.

Further testing may be required, but it appears on the latest public build of Windows 10 with out-of-the-box settings (with or without “Game Mode”), G-SYNC somehow bypasses the 1 frame of delay added by the DWM. That said, I still don’t suggest borderless or windowed mode over exclusive fullscreen due to the 3-5% decrease in performance, but if these findings are true across configurations, it great news for games that only offer a borderless windowed option, or for multitaskers with secondary monitors.



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Indignified
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Indignified

Hello, why do pro players for fps games use uncapped fps instead of these settings? Are there any benefits to using uncapped fps?

Pyerimi
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Pyerimi

Also I wanted to ask about what to do in case if ingame FPS limiter has bad implementation and introduce microstuttering like in this case: https://www.reddit.com/r/horizon/comments/i5p6io/pc_psa_do_not_use_the_ingame_fps_limiter_use_rtss/

Should I still use ingame option or RTSS?

Pyerimi
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Pyerimi

Hello, thank you for comprehensive guide.
I have three questions. I am using AMD card and freesync premium monitor. I setup V-Sync in driver for every game and lock FPS ingame if there is an option to do so, if not RTSS.

1) Counter-Stike 2 has its own limiter in console, ex: “fps_max 141”. It limits fps, but frametime isn’t as perfect as it is when using RTSS which makes it buttery smooth. The FPS itself stays at 141.
In amd software I turn V-Sync for this game and disable it ingame, and limit fps as I mentioned above ingame.
The question is, is this horrible frametime graph considered a problem when using freesync or it isn’t noticiable while under freesync conditions?
Should I use RTSS and unlock framerate ingame instead?

2) There are games where the option to manually configure FPS value to a precise number is absent.
Only presets, like 30\60\200 and so on. And there is no option to unlock FPS, only these presets.
What to do in this case to limit it to 141? If I set it to 141 in RTSS, will it conflict with the ingame limiter if I set it to lets say 200?
Should we set ingame limiter to max available value in this case and then lock it in RTSS?

3) In Forza Horizon 4 FreeSync seems to be not working, I disable ingame vsync and unlock fps, then limit it to 141 in RTSS and enable vsync in AMD driver, but FreeSync is not activating, I look at monitor OSD and I see 144 hz instead of variable 140-141.
However, AMD driver sets FreeSync option to “AMD optimized” for every game, this option is basically a blacklist for games where freesync allegedly known to be not working properly.
When setting this option to “On” freesync activates and seems to work, but according to my tests it introduces some stutters every now and then.
But the problem is, when I don’t use freesync for this game and set ingame options by default to vsync on and 144 fps preset, I don’t notice any latency added by vsync, meanwhile freesync is not working there.
The question is, could FH4 implementation of Vsync be latency-free and is there any need to force freesync there?

thiezek
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thiezek

Hello, good afternoon. Excellent post, I only had one doubt, using a configuration of GSYNC ON + NVCP VSYNC ON and the in-game fps limiter at 237 (I have a 240hz monitor). What should I use in the NVIDIA REFLEX? ON or ON+BOOST? Taking into account that I am already limiting my fps to 237 in-game.
Thanks!

alex1994
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alex1994

Hello, I play a MMORPG CPU intensive game on 165hz monitor gsync and my FPS in Raids go as low as 30fps and because of it causes stutters i think. I have Gsync + Vsync ON + -3 FPS below is this best set up for me you think ? I have 7800x3D and rtx 4080 super. The game i play is super old released in 2007 and super badly optimized. I tried different settings and cant seem to figure out best settings for this game. I hope you can help me out <3

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