G-SYNC 101: G-SYNC Fullscreen vs. Borderless/Windowed


DWM Woes?

Requested by swarna in the Blur Busters Forums, is a scenario that investigates the effects of the DWM (Desktop Windows Manager, “Aero” in Windows 7) on G-SYNC in borderless and windowed mode.

Unlike exclusive fullscreen, which bypasses the DWM composition entirely, borderless and windowed mode rely on the DWM, which, due to its framebuffer, adds 1 frame of delay. The DWM can’t be disabled in Windows 10, and uses it’s own form of triple buffer V-SYNC (very similar to Fast Sync) that overrides all standard syncing solutions when borderless or windowed mode are in use.

To make sure this was the case, all combinations of NVCP and in-game V-SYNC, as well as the Windows 10 “Game Mode” and “fullscreen optimization” settings were tested to see if DWM could be disabled, and tearing could be introduced; it could not be, so Game Mode and fullscreen optimizations were disabled once again, and NVCP V-SYNC was re-enabled across scenarios for consistency’s sake.

The question is, does DWM add 1 frame of delay with G-SYNC using borderless and windowed mode?

Blur Buster's G-SYNC 101: Input Latency & Optimal Settings
Blur Buster's G-SYNC 101: Input Latency & Optimal Settings

Overwatch, shows that, no, with G-SYNC enabled, both borderless and windowed mode do not add 1 frame of delay over exclusive fullscreen. Standalone “V-SYNC,” however, does show the expected 1 frame of delay.

CS:GO was also tested for corroboration, and ought to have the same results, as DWM behavior is at the OS-level and should remain unchanged, regardless of the game…

Blur Buster's G-SYNC 101: Input Latency & Optimal Settings
Blur Buster's G-SYNC 101: Input Latency & Optimal Settings

Sure enough, again, G-SYNC sees no added delay, and V-SYNC sees the expected 1 frame of delay.

Further testing may be required, but it appears on the latest public build of Windows 10 with out-of-the-box settings (with or without “Game Mode”), G-SYNC somehow bypasses the 1 frame of delay added by the DWM. That said, I still don’t suggest borderless or windowed mode over exclusive fullscreen due to the 3-5% decrease in performance, but if these findings are true across configurations, it great news for games that only offer a borderless windowed option, or for multitaskers with secondary monitors.



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dotyerts
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dotyerts

I’ve been reading your stuff for years. Appreciate all of it.
Let me get this summarized in one quick writeup.

I have a freesync compatible monitor viotek gft27db 144hz. If i enable G-SYNC properly with my DP cable on an RTX 2070, and have VSYNC ON, as well as + NULL, then I should
1. be all good in terms of enabling GSYNCwithout the issues of VSYNC off causing tearing sometimes.
2. NOT be required to Limit my fps to 141 by using RTSS? I’m currently using it limited to 141 to stay under and avoid the buffer flip interval.
2.b. wondering if this is the case, so I can turn off RTSS and retrieve that minuscule amount of input lag it causes.

nuk_won
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nuk_won

Tell me if I am wrong. But I think I figured it out. G-sync it self don’t ad input lag so if i have it I might as well turn it on to get stutter/screen tearing free game play. So as I understand u turn g-sync on + vsync off find the fps by caping it 165 then 164 ect where there is no screen tearing at bottom of the screen let’s say it would be 158 then u go Nvidia control panel turn g-sync on vsync off set low latency to ultra and cap ur fps at 158 and this is the way u get lowest input lag + as it would be running a monitor who don’t have g-sync and just caping fps at 165fps but this way u don’t get the benefits as smooth game play no stuttering. This would be best only for GPU bound games like apex legends other games that use CPU this could increase input lag? Please correct me if I’m wrong or maybe I need to turn g-sync off set fixed refresh rate null set to ultra fps cap at 165. Main game is apex legends. This I how I run the game currently.

Specs pc: 87k at 4.5gh 1080ti oc. Monitor: AOC 24″ 2k rez 165hz g-sync.

Ownsin
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Ownsin

Hey there. Can I ask If I should turn on V-Sync in-game or from the Nivida Control Panel for my G-Sync 144hz monitor? I recently watched a video for Battlenonesene where he says turning on V-Sync inside of games is better than turning it on from the NVCP because some engines have optimizations for their V-Sync. What’s your take on this matter?

Another thing I want to bring up. Can you tell me what’s the difference between turning on V-Sync and Fastsync from the NVCP? as far as I know, Fastsync eliminates tearing, leaves the frame rate unlocked and doesn’t add nearly as much input lag as regular V-Sync, so why is it recommended that we use V-Sync instead of Fastsync?

P.S: which frame limiter do you suggest I should use.

Thank you.

gzmm
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gzmm

Hello, i have a samsung C24FG73, with 70~144hz freesync range.
for me, gsync+vsync in driver with 138 fps limiter seens to be working very well.
but, if a game is locked at 60 frames, the gsync will be ‘disable’, and only vsync will work, correct?
this will introduce alot of input lag, or the FLC helps?

buddersnaps
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buddersnaps

Hi when running a game that GPU is using 100% resources do i still want NVCP v sync set ON and low latency set to Ultra. i have g sync monitor thats 144hz. i have games capped at 141 but get about 100 – 120 most of the time. are my settings still correct when getting frames below monitor refresh rate and GPU bound using NVCP v sync ON, low latency ULTRA, Gsync ON, and in game fps capped to 141 and vsync off?

then to clarify when not gpu bound just use the “on” option instead of ultra for low latency?

also monitor has ULMB or should i just stick with gsync? if i used ULMB what would i do for vsync and latency options?

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